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Tom Potts wrote: > On Friday 20 October 2006 09:55, William Fidell wrote: >> Tom Potts wrote: >>> By simply informing companies that use flash you are not going to use it >>> and they don't really need to then real alternatives will surface - like >>> html/javascript for almost all flash. >> Like AJAX? Which is a bitch to debug and work perfectly across the >> board, not to mention bitchingly slow. Flash for all its other >> problems, is very easy to pump db driven data into. >> >> To more points about flash, 1) it is mainly used by "creative" types, >> who prefer drawing to coding and 2) it is used by ~98% of internet >> browsers. >> >> Yes, there probably shouldn't be a monopoly and somebody should develop >> an alternative. But it has to be a viable one. >> >> Wills > I know I should really practice what I preach here and actually do something. > Its one of the reasons I moved to the farm - didn't quite reckon on the kids > and the weather properly.... > It just needs an front end to create and link the active elements together. > That could be an AJAX but the output can be pure html/javascript/svg*/images > or even the new HTML panel element! > But no, not LIKE AJAX - AJAX is a bitch to debug but only because no-one > seems to put that framework in at the start - there is a JSunit somewhere but > using venkman and a bit of common sense ( how about a logging window and a > DEBUG boolean/integer?) it shouldn't be too hard - a lot easier than > replacing Flash! > Tom te tom te tom > > *just wondering what the svg browser penetration is? > You can get a panel in Firefox - anyone know if it works in IE yet? > > Without hijacking this into an AJAX thread. I do use a bit of AJAX for backend / CMS stuff to try and make the processes easier for clients. I am currently using sajax, modified slightly into an object. Which works rather well because it is nice and simple. Although, the lack of debuging is a bitch, for instance it will break if any thing sent to the browser before its time. Like error messages. A debug window would be great. A quick search of the interweb suggests that SVG penetration, for ironically adobe's plugin, is around 10%. It could be the way forward, depends on the interface for manipulating the format is like really. Wills -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html