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On 28/12/2020 15:18, comrade meowski wrote: > On 28/12/2020 14:54, Paul Sutton via list wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I saw this posted to Mastodon earlier, which was reposted from Twitter. >> >> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948104/EU-UK_Trade_and_Cooperation_Agreement_24.12.2020.pdf >> >> >> Page 921 refers to >> >> Netscape Communicator - >> >> >> Is anyone likely to still be using Netscape communicator ? Or are >> they just referring to the fact that Netscape Communicator supported >> s/mime? > > > ghost@failbot:~$ ps -ewaf | grep Navigator | head -n 1 > ghost 1213447 6175 2 14:56 ? 00:00:01 C:\Program Files > (x86)\Netscape\Navigator 9\navigator.exe > > Not just Communicator but Navigator. Version 9.0.0.6 to be precise, > fresh off the press... in 2008. > > Why? In my world I have a lot of network infrastructure stuff. Switches, > routers, appliances and all kinds of strange but critical proprietary > vendor stuff, often frozen in time. Many don't receive firmware upgrades > past a certain point but otherwise sit in their racks for months and > years on end. Once in a blue moon they need attention and someone like > me knows that if you point any of the modern fancy standards-compliant > kitchen sink browsers at the control interface of these black boxes, > then absolutely nothing will happen. In some cases the weirdness will be > more subtle (switches particularly) and the interface will seem to > render properly until you eventually realise that the port VLAN config > page is broken and won't apply any changes (cough NetGear ProSafe cough). > > Every sysadmin keeps a tame vintage browser or three in a wine prefix > that they know will play safe with some of the fussier infrastructure > stuff quietly working away in the corners of their realm. After *years* > of experimenting Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.6 is my go-to for specifically > this job and nothing else. But I use it at least once a week and > frequently more often than that. Sometimes if I'm re-provisioning or > wiping a particularly ancient or weird $thing I'll need to go back in > time even further than that to find a compatible browser - I've seen old > AP controllers that require specific and very early versions of ActiveX > enabled browsers to render their control panels which becomes a fun game > of "hunt the exact early build of Internet Explorer". And I have an > entire cupboard full of weird cables and custom serial connectors to > talk to other stuff but that's another story. > > So yes, at least one person _is_ using Netscape. No idea about the > second question though. > Thanks for this. I have to use DOS to alter settings for a machine tool that is critical to brake maintenance on certain very large public railways in UK. Back up at factory includes a lot of computers rescued from dustbins as spares. Machine tool life span is in order of 50 ~ 100 years. Stuff (machine tool with strange use *) installed in 1910 by my ex employer is and has been critical to food production for a certain Middle East Country. * it has 'wooden bearings" (lignum Vitae) but that is another story. -- Regards Eion MacDonald -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG https://mailman.dcglug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq