[ Date Index ]
[ Thread Index ]
[ <= Previous by date /
thread ]
[ Next by date /
thread => ]
Re: [LUG] An ethical phone?
- To: list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [LUG] An ethical phone?
- From: comrade meowski <mr.meowski@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 19:19:05 +0100
- Arc-authentication-results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none
- Arc-message-signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=oeolqxrP0Lfb31TljzzZKy4XNSleNhLKMp8/fL8XSp0=; b=LUHDDUxXVTAW0NEQh7igLVFU2VQYbXMV9MJIB7/3dpj5gqr/0dNlfgdi+12MGf1oCP43QUFEapsIYQnq7prMgXW2+GyxP890WrgD90ePHc4/MtYmjrpgr6Vi1mX7PGM0eJDD955RaEXTg6/mX9Rr4VpLPMEoGYgtdijgXrZcSHubP6AeX1/S1Pmb9YpqnGtTBoCUymSpB2/MJrDRkldUw0h5tMIF9xJdnSpJ4zb2roUgtLaILSA7bpT28gRBA7GSUAseB3i+sXOxHwswK1q5NU/X+zqi6W0+SdmvOVa+FhKbBiPk/qd3pkQIJQHG04snAvGfChmV4a260Q6wW+IP8A==
- Arc-seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=HrCnC08i6DP7RS+1UX7a45QRLgbV4tpQQU/ahoxmwiaxO980Jr7Qc5E7bROLXiUZUmXECbWG7IWc3S0uACP476h073u5lP4jm0sUp7L6Z338HeCgeNbB3WTl6GYF8i+UECB+SsQq3tN/lqAwcxYTcyngNGTkbruZETTzE05rrg7qNj52Fj/f5z0fjFeF5Mdqmdoj22YGNKPPn3kx/OU3di4z+C2cFaeHr10IgvrD6GRcyVMbaQt11cSvUre0FlrdfGtfP4AIu1wT7KOM4/rp+ZYuUbhZClzwhvv4C8BG1XxcS1fxXlJpIz0XUFirsO7cGjYzFq4j9sQ9o1Mg33ShUA==
- Content-language: en-GB
- Delivered-to: dclug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dcglug.org.uk; s=1586423162; h=Sender:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Reply-To:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:Subject:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:Message-ID: From:References:To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=bk+sVzzfE3g3zi474IrtKqoIqzDumPM3qQ4ZOjLG62A=; b=epobJeFqJ7n50V5Kiu9ZGwxci LOvyBAnrxK1JAQt/bwhFaIyGyc34/HGGhpHY8TPilmOGZPnN5AGvqYlh8iiCRBSFoG3p5s9NRyRJW 03zTpGjfjCv31E7DQspCTc4NkbliKy6qxR1420kRPAXc3qZB+DEMdOcRKWknz8Ks0yuik=;
- Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=live.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=oeolqxrP0Lfb31TljzzZKy4XNSleNhLKMp8/fL8XSp0=; b=uYi86w+gIUpRm9l7P2gfcZUFPY4JJ+1kaZGD/qwJ95yQPY4O8X/tQ5WMpFw28iRHRjYgu5PGLVIWhuqXlcYy5PUBXP4awEiDGMDK+rVUdRDZ3kRB3smrMOD4W8mk4sAZ5Q9ISzmgYQmmoEu18B/m+IQRdJKiS5N0NtxxyrBfqAnm3+7dHNsGx/NPKXO7c2vt8D3SqQ+84fgmQqJfZjP6x0kWBB7kHJhK3xOtF85riNRJ3JPaRtOMRyRDo6Vd0zu8w9HNC9xzTIdaSY0NNjet0KgNz3RhW3CXL1Hc0gBZWSYnHj2nVaN8MbtCOFi5452aOv6SYa6JSuu6tThZR6UERw==
On 31/08/2020 13:06, John PNZ wrote:
What makes an old phone stay usable?
LineageOS is one way
You answered your own question there chief. Options for IOS exist as
well to regain control.
I've put my old model together several times, he's
not kidding, it can be done.
I repair and modify phones and take a lot of them apart. Usually this is
a relatively skilled job involving heatguns and specialist tools and not
truly reversible once the epoxy seals for IP68 protection have been
breached. Sure you can re-seal them but not under original factory
conditions - humans can't beat robots at this sort of task.
Modern smartphones are engineered to the Nth degree and hyper-optimised
to cram all that cutting edge tech and battery into such a tiny form
factor that won't melt itself under normal use: trying to introduce
modularity and repairability to that is not possible without severe
compromises. The phone gets bigger, bulkier, clumsier.
Please note I make no judgement here, just an observation. Phones - in
my opinion - are sufficiently complex, miniaturised and optimised that
in their mass market form being able to trivially replace anything other
than the battery and software is not just unrealistic but undesirable.
Simply put, they're short term disposable objects (hopefully recycled of
course!) by nature, destined to naturally only last 5 years
operationally at most. Let's not forget they also wear out 'cos they
live in our pockets and technology marches on relentlessly: in 10 years
any phone is obsolete.
Again, just calling it as I see it - I'm not saying this situation is
ideal or that I like it, just that nobody outside a miniscule fraction
of the phone using population wants or would even be well-served by
modularity in smartphones.
Why would an end user want to bother trying to replace or upgrade a
Fairphone component when for about the same money they could buy an
entire second hand flagship model smartphone from two years ago on Ebay
or the local phone shop? And nobody say "because it can run free
software" because if there's another thing that end users don't care
about, it's that...
TLDR: modular phones - the world doesn't want or need them, just a
handful of nerds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
--
The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG
https://mailman.dcglug.org.uk/listinfo/list
FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq
