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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Paul Sutton wrote: > Well how about this for a TOUGH sentnce > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/7942803.stm > > 36 month community order I was talking about the abusers not the consumers. Of course, the latter play a role but I seriously doubt if the children would have been helped if this guy had been sent to prison for some years. I also doubt these people make a risk calculation before downloading these images based on the sentences they might get, so I wonder about the deterring effect of stronger sentences. > Taking child abuse to mean a wide range of things not just sexual abuse, > I think neglect also has a big effect on kids, family break down, family > life, (or lack of maybe) and a host of other things. The scale of this > is far far bigger than we realize This is so true. That's one of the issues I have with the focus on sexual abuse (by strangers): it's such a small part of all the things that happen to children and seriously affect them. > I salute you as I guess you are on the front line like me and see the > effects of the crap kids go through. I'm not actually - I work in IT security and it was in that role that I attended the talk on child abuse. But I come from a family of teachers, so I think I have seen some of the effects. Martijn. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq