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On 23/07/13 09:05, Simon Robert -Cottage wrote: > On 22.07.2013 16:23, Martijn Grooten wrote: >> https://twitter.com/mikko/status/359301218125873152/photo/1 >> >> In case you've been avoiding the Internet today, or have been focused >> on the royal womb, this is the context: >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076 >> >> Martijn. >> > this is an interesting article about where these terrible statistics > about porn, never mind child porn, (70% of children have seen hardcore > while doing their homework etc.) actually originate and the pedigrees > of some of those involved (remember "Satanic Abuse"). > > http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2013/06/18/sex-lies-and-porn-statistics/ > > This is mostly FUD and moral panic. Interesting to note that talktalk > now bans torrentfreak using legislation partly based on earlier > attempts to control porn. (if you don't know torrentfreak is a news > site about copyright and file sharing which is fairly balanced in > tone, often I see stories in The Guardian that broke on it. Anyhow, it > has no torrents or even links to torrents or torrent sites). > > This is a classic moral panic.... > > http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Students/hrb9701.html > > This will be another "Dangerous Dogs Act", but with serious > repercussions for many of us. But maybe I'm just too corrupt, I did > come of age in the era of the "Video Nasty". > > S > There seems to be two fronts to the current crusade against porn 1. is to filter out search terms that can be used by people to find child porn, this can be countered as people have pointed out there are other ways in which people find content online not even using web browser and search engine as such. Offenders will simply find way to circumvent all this. 2. To automatically block on line porn (definition unknown as in does this cover page 3 up to the explicit material) I agree with what was said on on the bcc website by the former head of ceop But former Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre boss Jim Gamble told BBC Radio 4's Today programme it was important to "get to the root cause" of illegal pornography, by catching those responsible for creating it. What this policy seems to suggest is that if we hide child porn behind a veil and make it hard to get at, it goes away, child abuse will go way as we don't have the maturity as adult MPs to discuss sex let alone the put the words sex and children within the same discussion, surely we need MP's with the guts to tackle this HEAD ON or stand aside and allow others with the guts to discuss the issue and not just come up with a lets block it policy. As one of the comments says the bigger issue seems to be the sexualisation of children by mainstream media, We are looking at 2 different issues here, the first I doubt even the most hard core freedom advocate condones child abuse let alone the sharing of child abuse images. Questions to the list is How do we protect people from harmful content ? While at the same time protect freedoms online ? Paul -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq