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If people reply could you please trim this thread properly it is a MESS. I have left it intact so it illustrates the issue, I do try and do this if i can but it is now just messy Paul > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOHN DAVEY <johndavey303@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2013, 17:37 > Subject: Re: [LUG] More Raspberry woes. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tom Brough <tombrough@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2013, 15:58 > Subject: Re: [LUG] More Raspberry woes. > > > On 17/03/13 15:35, JOHN DAVEY wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Tom Brough <tombrough@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2013, 15:09 >>Subject: Re: [LUG] More Raspberry woes. >> >> >>On 17/03/13 12:43, JOHN DAVEY wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: JOHN DAVEY <johndavey303@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: "list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2013, 12:24 >>>Subject: Re: [LUG] More Raspberry woes. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Paul Sutton <zleap@xxxxxxxxx> >>>To: list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2013, 12:17 >>>Subject: Re: [LUG] More Raspberry woes. >>> >>>On 17/03/13 12:13, JOHN DAVEY wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Paul Sutton <zleap@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> *To:* list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 17 March 2013, > 12:06 >>>> *Subject:* Re: [LUG] More > Raspberry woes. >>>> >>>> On 17/03/13 12:04, JOHN DAVEY > wrote: >>>> > Hi, last night I visited the > Raspberry site where it reccomended I > do >>>> > an "sudo apt-get update" ans > a "sudo apt-get upgrade" , now it > won't >>>> > boot into a graphical > invironment. What have I done wrong ? >>>> > Jon Davey. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> Does the graphical environment > start with startx, you may need to >>>> re-run the config utility and > tell it to start in graphical mode >>>> again, perhaps something in the > update changed one of the settings. >>>> paul >>>> http://www.zleap.net <http://www.zleap.net/> >>>> skype : psutton111 >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911 >>>> >>>> http://www.raspberrypi.org <http://www.raspberrypi.org/> >>>> http://www.ubuntu.com <http://www.ubuntu.com/> >>>> >>>> I am committed to safeguarding > children, young people and vulnerable >>>> groups and expect any school or > establishment I am involved with to >>>> share this commitment. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The Mailing List for the Devon > & Cornwall LUG >>>> http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list >>>> FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq >>>> >>>> I have tried that but there > doesn't even seem to be a propper > command >>>> prompt, just a flashing line at > the edge of the screen... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>erk, sounds like there is more of a > deeper problem, I will let gordon >>>or perhaps one of the more experienced > users give a few suggestions. >>> >>>Do you have a spare sd card you can > make a new image and try that, >>>this rules out hardware issues > perhaps. >>> >>>Paul >>>http://www.ubuntu.com >>> >>>I am committed to safeguarding > children, young people and vulnerable > groups and expect any school or > establishment I am involved with to > share this commitment. >>> >>> >>>....no I don't have a spare card. Oh > god why does this always seem to > happen to me ?!?! >>> >>>...I was just thinking, is it possible > that I have downloaded too much onto > my SD card. I'm not sure why the site > would tell me to do this if it was > going to have this effect but....what > can I say my Raspberry is now > unuseable and when it boots up is says > something about "[warn] root > filesystem has insufficient filespace" > what have I done?! >>>Jon Davey. >>> >>> >>"[warn] root filesystem has insufficient filespace" >> >>This suggests that you should delete or copy some files > off your SD card and delete them. For example files in > the /home directory can backed up then deleted. You can > always copy them back afterwards. I suspect that the > upgrade process copied a large number of updated > packages that filled up your SD card. Unfortunately its > your responsibility to check you have enough space as no > distributor of any software can tell you how much space > you have left. >> >>For example I could recommend you have an 8Gb card but > at some point you will use that space up . After > packages are downloaded they are unpacked (which > temporary takes even more space. I would suggest that > the upgrade bombed out halfway because of lack of space > to unpack one of the upgraded packages. Everything will > look ok, but the next time you start up, the system > will need some space for logs etc and this is where you > run into problems. >> >>As I said before, put your SD card in a card reader look > at the files in /home, copy some large ones onto some > other storage and delete them off the SD card, see if it > boots, if it does do an apt-get update / apt-get upgrade > again and watch the output carefully. If your lucky it > will finish and correct any anomalies. I would also > suggest apt-get clean in case any installed package > files are still being cached. If all is well at that > point check how much space you have and if you can copy > back the files you backed up earlier. If you don't have > the space to do this then it really is time to invest in > a higher capacity SD card. >> >>If its any consolation I have run into the same problem > on desktops when my root drive filled up. I couldn't > even get a console session from Alt-F1 etc... Luckily > sshd had started so in the end I had to ssh into the > system (the only way I could get access) and delete some > stuff (log files in /var/logs are a good source of > redundant bloated log files, although these days > logrotate tends to keep them in check, not sure if pi > supports logrotate as I dont have one .... yet). >> >>Treat it as a learning execise ;-) Good Luck. >> >>Tom. >>e ? >> >> >>Hi, thanks for the reply. I don't have an SD card reader so > I'll have to get one of those I guess from somewhere. I'm > not really sure how to check how much space I have on my > card yet. I'll work it out somehow. >>Cheers, Jon DAVEY. >> >> >> >> > Assuming you have a second machine: > > Is ssh configured on your pi? If so, and you have a second machine > you could try ssh terminal connection. If you can log in that way > you should at least be able to tidy up some stuff... possibly enough > to get it to boot properly. That way you wouldn't need an SD card > reader (although they are always handy things to have and cost £1 in > poundland). > > Tom. > > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq > > Tom, I have reqalised that there is an SD reader on my wifes notebook > which I should be able to use but I've heard a lot about ssh'ing and it > sounds interesting I'd like to learn how to do it... > Cheers, Jon > > > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq > > ...also I have checked and I do have an 8mb SD card. When you suggested > using another machine to delete some files were you assuming that any > other machine I might have is a Linux one? Because all I have access to is > my wifes wwindows notebook. I havn't tried plugging the SD card into this > yet as I am afraid I might do something wrong. Can I in fact do this ? and > wil I be able to get any positive results ? > Jon.-- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq > -- -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq