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> Almost nobody will use a password like that As I said - use a password manager. Sure it introduces new issues but I have a lot of random passwords 20+ characters in length. It also warns if password forms are insecure (although not consistently enough for my liking! ). Password length restrictions may be less prevalent, but I hit them pretty much daily. Credit card companies seem the worst - sigh. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq