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On 02/01/13 03:03, Kai Hendry wrote: > I wouldn't run OSX of course. I'm not a fool. ;) Fair enough! I was a big fan of OS X until 10.4 or so, and then Apple ruined it. All that lovely NeXT heritage flushed away to make it more shiny, sad. And it's the shittest "official" Unix I have ever used, and that's really saying something, because I've used all of them. When Tru64 compares favourably to something, you know they're doing it wrong... But yeah, seriously, buy a Retina MacBook, it's a lovely bit of kit and the linux support is already well under way. > Why use SMB over httpd sharing? Either I've lost you or you've lost me somehow here... httpd doesn't come into this anywhere. Microsoft call it CSV (cluster share volumes) and can explain it themselves: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh831579.aspx There's also the SMB multichannel aspect of it, which they can also explain for themselves: http://blogs.technet.com/b/josebda/archive/2012/06/28/the-basics-of-smb-multichannel-a-feature-of-windows-server-2012-and-smb-3-0.aspx For anyone who's ever had to setup bonded ethernet and redundant failover shares on *nix boxes, this will be familiar territory, but done with surprising elegance for MS. As long as your switch is LCAP capable you can basically click a few buttons in a wizard and all of a sudden have 10 PowerEdge boxes with 4x1Gb ethernet each supporting a shared, failover, bonded SMB 3.0 backend which you can then carve up for whatever usage you need (including as I said earlier, use it for hyper-V storage). The combined throughput ramp is effectively linear and you can easily saturate an upstream 40Gb link with that kind of firepower. Possible under other systems? Hell yes. Easy? Hell *no*. I could seriously teach my Gran the right series of buttons to click to get this functional on Server 2012 and that's a big thumbs up for Microsoft. > I'll be surprised if it can outperform ext4. Well, fair enough. Ext4 is basically a better filesystem than NTFS for pretty much all metrics (oh chkdsk, how I hate you) so I'll give you that. But MS aren't standing still: NTFS is generally speaking better than Ext3 for example. It's really come a long way, and Server 2012 now has ReFS, which is a *proper* filesystem at last. Once again, I'll let them explain it themselves: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh848060%28v=vs.85%29.aspx But this really is an argument that was lost quite a while ago: ZFS is the final word in filesystems for the time being. Everything else sucks in comparison. Until BTRFS is ready, Linux is also way behind. > Wow, native ISO mounts. :) Aw, come on, that's cheap :] You seemed to want examples, and a long standing gripe is that Windows can't natively mount ISOs. Well, it can now so that's a good thing right? Before the userspace helpers were implemented on Linux it wasn't a lot of fun manually doing loopback mounts was it? It was certainly a lot more effort than downloading and installing one of countless freeware ISO mounters that have always been around for Windows to achieve exactly the same result but with a pretty GUI and less pain. > Well I like to think on this forum we strive for freedom. Of course I > study and use proprietary software from time to time to see what they > get upto, though I use of free software base for all my work and data > (the important stuff). Surely that freedom includes the freedom to run and use the software you want to use, right? Even if it's proprietary? > > So I don't think there is any point supporting Windows users or this > "right tool for the job" argument. For me it's about forging and > making it work on a free software alternative. > The "right tool for the right job" isn't an argument, it's a fact: you're going to look pretty stupid trying to dig a hole with a toothbrush. I'd love to see you rock up to a principal AD server with an Ubuntu CD in your hand. Or maybe prod the £200k Power7 AIX cluster with a Fedora thumbdrive. Good luck with the Free Software mantra anywhere near the Cisco switches that power ~90% of the internet. I'm guessing you don't have to deal much with frantic bosses mid-heart-attack because system X is down, where X is variably*: the IBM AS400 running an NHS clinic queuing database the Brocade core router carrying all the ISP's peering traffic the Dell blade cluster running consolidated AD for the entire local council infrastructure the SGI Tezro connected to the MRI scanner Chief, it's ALWAYS the right tool for the job. Don't make yourself look thick by advocating baking a cake with a thermobaric bomb, it just doesn't work. You know what they say: when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Linux is going to be your hammer** if you're not careful. Best Regards * Sadly all these things have happened to me ** I never thought I'd ever post such a serious defence of proprietary software in my lifetime, especially to a LUG :] -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq