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Thanks for the input everybody! I just spent three months designing complicated circuitry only to discover I can buy it for 50p! Amazing what you can do with technology when MS not involved! 2 extra requests: 1)Does anyone know of ones that work like ARM - ie they can be embedded INTO a microchip at later date? 2) Any useful books for this - especially ones that Devon Libraries might have - that probably limits it to a difference engine? Tom te tom te tom -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html