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can't you also use dd to write data to the hdd, and wipe it that way, in addition to a few formats. Not sure how exactly to do it, but there are members here that know how to, so I will leave it to them to comment further Paul -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html