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Hi Grant No my problem is logging into Debian from Ubuntu. It used to work, now , since the November upgrade, I can not. I can still log in from another Debian machine, and from PClinux running on a live CD. So I think the error is on the remote Ubuntu Machine's. But what I have set up wrong there I do not know! Peter L-J -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html