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If any of you are writing to your banks or other 'services' to complain about lack of non IE support it might be worth asking them to seriously consider not using their current site developers - it really is more effort to provide IE only support. HTML forms with a bit of state are not that difficult!! Tom te tom te tom -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html