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They have sacrificed security for ease of use, so long as people make an informed choice about it that's fine with me. I just ensure PHP is heavily restricted and avoided where possible. A. hi! Ok i've got ubuntu working now and am learning the commands etc. would you use perl instead of php i take it? Isn't there a way of using a security oriented config file in php (turning off global vars i think..?) Would doing this suffice? forgive me, I'm miles behind... Stuart ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe. FAQ: www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html