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Thanks again. I think we are getting nearer. Neil made me think that a font problem may have occured when I fetched some fonts that I "needed" from windows. Trying Peter's strace suggestion showed that the loading process was "killed by SIGSEGV" whilst loading fonts, the last being: /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/drakfont/ttf/ariblk.ttf which of course is a windows arial font. Let's blame Microsoft! I'll try removing them and see if things get back to normal. Cheers, Peter. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.