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Hi Lee, sounds nasty!. The first place to look would always be the syslog /var/log/ syslog maybe /var/log/messages on some distros. You should be able to look towards the end of it and itentify where you rebooted from and look back before there before the crash to see if there is any naughtyness at all. For totaly random crashes never underestimate the power of a "hot processor". My system can overheat at times due to a poor CPU fan and this can cause random crashes and worse when compiling it can cause garbage to enter binaries causing untraceable errors! Do the problems occur during/after heavy cpu load? you mentioned games (good chance yes then) and media play back (potential heavy cpu user). If the syslog shows nothing it may be worth monitoring CPU temperature if your cpu/motherboard supports it. I can't remember off hand the name but there is some linux kernel and userspace stuff for motherboard monitoring. Regards Robin -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.