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Have just tried using one of these devices for the first time, and it appears to be first time lucky, as the resulting CD seems to be just fine. But there are a couple of things that perhaps the expert "burners" out there may be able to answer. First, speed : I thought I had a drive that would write at twelve times something, though I'm not sure what that something is, and come to that I wouldn't put my shirt on the twelve either, as the device didn't come with a manual. Anway, "speed=12" was specified, and among the abundance of information that "cdrecord" spat out, was the following .. Identification : LTR-12101B Revision : LUS3 . . ATIP info from disk : Indicated writing power : 5 Reference speed : 2 Is not unrestricted Is erasable ATIP start of lead in -12900 (97:10/00) STIP start of lead out 359849 (79:59/74) Speed low: 0 speed high : 4 Power mult factor: 4 5 Recommended erase/write power: 3 A2 values : 5C C6 26 . . (at end of process) Average write speed 4.0x So which of these figures, if any, do I have to take notice of, and does it matter what speed I put in the "cdrecord" line ? The overall cooking time (for 650MB of data) was twenty minutes. Is this about normal ? Am I right in thinking that if I use one of those "once burnt, twice shy" disks it would be quicker ? Finally, is the following information (which again was part of the "cdrecord" output) recognizable to anyone ... "Manufacturer : unknown (not in table) Manufacturer is unknown because of the orange forum embargo. As the orange forum likes to get money for recent information, it may be that this media does not use illegal manufacturer coding." Well, absolutely. Good thing too. Erm, what exactly is the orange forum embargo, Sir Humphrey ? Happy Christmas, Tom. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.