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This is getting a bit strange, and I have no idea what's going on, here's what I have so far... using traceroute on www.nationwide.co.uk, it gets to 194.73.0.77 (BT) and then gives me * forever. When I did the before (in DOS) it stopped at 195.89.251.154 (Insnet). I have checked for stupid things like DOS and Linux giving different answers but this is not the case. If it gives me different answers does that suggest a fault at my end? Eclipse told to wait until the routers were fixed, I connected tech support at Insnet who reckon all is well. I will run traceroute agian tomorrow (saturday) to see what happens. Blimey and all I wanted to do was e-banking ;) -- Tom Laithwaite tomlai@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.