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I know that this is a Linux group, but I tried to ask the technicians at Paignton college (where I work) with no luck. Does anyone know what keys I can press to get into some sort of setup program on a apple macintosh qadra 650, or to stop some programs / services running on bootup. Not sure on which version of the operating system it's using, The computer in question does not seem to be getting very far when booting up, well I think it gets to the desktop screen, then just sits there with the timer (watch) cursor on the screen, I decided to have a quick look, but decided to ask for help first. I figured being mac it would require a weird combination of key presses or something. The machine is donated so I don't think they have anything in the way of manuals. thanks Paul -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.