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On 25/09/2021 13:20, Sebastian wrote: > Dear Tom, > >> https://opensource.com/article/21/9/open-source-groupware-grommunio > >> [An open source alternative to Microsoft Exchange Open source users >> now have a robust and fully functional choice for groupware.] > > Ooh, very nice! I like how they are integrating existing open source > applications like Jitsi and ownCloud, rather than attempting to remake > each component themselves. > > Their website seems to be a little hollow as yet though - all the > screenshots are actually of Microsoft Outlook! On the other hand, the > screenshots in the opensource.com article appear to be the real deal. > > Best wishes, > > Sebastian > Dear Sirs, 20210925 Re [LUG] Easy Jitsi?? Perhaps, and 'at last'. Wen I was trying to get small firms to use Linux systems (opensource or paid) for the 'renegades' who left our "company" (my employers at that time) and set up their own small enterprises, this would have been really useful; as it would be more cost effective for startups. The existence of the "company" as a totally MS house using MS Exchange and Outlook, caused them (The renegades) severe problems as files from Outlook would not behave at that time with clients like Thunderbird. So they all bought into the MS ecosystem. So they could tender to and get work from the former employer and 'exchange files / drawings etc'. Had this been available then (and a very big assumption - that I would have understood how to set it up for them), it certainly could have worked on a 'free basis with five persons' as usually they would have only two or three 'employees'. Wife as MD, then main persons as 'consultant employee', an maybe one to two other 'consultant employees employees. For legal and insurance reasons it was always necessary for the 'doer' to be an 'employee' with the MD as another person. Disclosure: I was consultant employee, wife was MD who could in case of dispute sue the 'employer' (for payment or redress) without affecting my position as a 'consultant'. The major opposition to Linux was: ONE) Integration with customer's MS Outlook and systems. TWO) A "free" (Gratis) Linux bookkeeping system capable of working with UK & EU VAT, there were some paid solutions, but a few of these companies withdrew from market place. Similar to MS with their withdrawal from accountancy/bookkeeping at a small cost, which left hundreds of (SMA) USA firms with major problems. (MS Abandonware as the returns to MS were a lot less than they thought they would get. The entrenched MS accountancy firms had better relations and integration into the USA tax system Windows paid solutions were readily available (Sage, Quickbooks, etc.) and still with USA competitors going strong. Little 'abandonware'. I wish "grommunio" luck, they have already changed their name to avoid a 'merciless lawsuit' from Instagram. Settled out of court by mutual discussion. -- Regards Eion MacDonald -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG https://mailman.dcglug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq