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On 17/05/16 20:37, M. J. Everitt wrote: > Odd that you use CDE (I had limited interaction with Exceed on a Sun > system years ago) but you don't get along with KDE. Although Plasma5 > brings a totally new desktop, I've quite liked plasma4 for the last few > years - I'm sure the transition up (which I've yet to accomplish) will > take a bit of getting used to. > > Have you tried out the Mate or Cinnamon desktops as made popular by Mint > at all?! Just out of curiosity! I use CDE as it's the only option on the AIX, HPUX and older Sun boxes I work with - nasty, but functional enough in those contexts. As an inveterate fiddler I think I've tried pretty much every single window and desktop manager in existence at some point but even though I keep coming back every few months for another go, KDE just rubs me up the wrong way for some reason. I want to like it, but just can't - the fact that it's had more churn than Gnome over the last few years doesn't exactly help it's case either. KDE4/5/Neon have all been a wash for me I'm afraid. Too fiddly, and buggy as hell. Mate and Cinnamon are both ok for what they are - Cinnamon is probably the most 'friendly' of all Linux DMs I'd guess, especially for non-technical or ex-Windows users (my Mum vastly prefers Cinnamon over Windows, and she's decidedly non-technical!). For all of those out there who pine for the "good old days" of boring stable Gnome before the 3/Shell debacle, there is actually a little known and somewhat unlikely source for the original experience still available, complete with the spinning desktop cube and everything: believe it or not, the OpenIndiana Solaris/Illumos derivative still ships even today with an old fashioned Gnome install, not Gnome-shell in flashback mode, but proper Gnome2. The latest images are being distributed under the newly minted "Hipster" branch (yes, really). Cheers http://www.openindiana.org/overview/the-hipster-branch/ -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG https://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq