| bah! I just spent the afternoon repairing a 14.10 -> 15.04 upgrade
and i like:)
how i got to a very stable base system:
from 14:10 xubuntu install on an amd.
Do the upgrade twice, then aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade,
Then use aptitude remove pretty much everything except the base platform .. i.e. all X11, gnome, xfce4 etc
add the text option to the grub config and remove quiet to get the useful info back
then tweak you services with systemctl disable <name>
to re-enable services first remove the /dev/null links then do systemctl enable <name>
I think i may have found a sweet spot.... (at least for a non desktop setup) and i can live with systemd.
Systemd: a singleton service manager process that introduces a high level abstraction around services control: It works more like the sun or windows services managers - its actually quite good, but new is and has issues fitting in. When it goes wrong it can be a big learning curve to find & fix.as most config and data is not in a declarative text format. its goals are: do things faster, more efficiently and consistently.
Init.d : lots of simple scripts, multiple flavours, it works, it is modifiable without killing anything you couldn't fix by hand.
SysV: like init.d with different file locations and naming, also relatively easy to fix.
if you don't care and you didn't learn init or sysv : services will feel more modern and less quirky, and probably easier to learn. if your an experiences sysadmin - you will hang your head - knowing some aggressive know it all has won an important argument and until its proven the hard way we all have to deal with two methodologies competing and breaking our system.
Is there a very very brief discussion of the reasons for changing to systemd and why some people think it is good and some bad somewhere please? Perhaps a little longer than a haiku but not too much.
On 11/06/15 20:16, Jay Bennie wrote:
> bad apple -> http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?id=5364
Hmm, that's pretty interesting but it's a very small and new project as
yet. I like crunchbang/archbang but just don't have much faith they're
ever going to stick around for long. Void has the same problem really.
Just tested springlinux and it was interesting up to the point it failed
to install grub - I mucked around for 5 minutes chrooting and manually
doing it but something is broken in the base system. Only their second
released ISO though, and it did look intriguing.
Cheers
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