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Are any not terrible? Out of curiosity I've been trialling Manjaro, Antergos, Blackarch... they're all worse than useless. Most of them immediately fail with their stupid custom frontends to pacman unable to handle expired package maintainer keys, etc: they're so fragile it's comical. EFI boot breaks most of them immediately. I realise these are rolling releases but c'mon: I have super bleeding edge stuff like void linux running with no problems, plus rawhide, sid, etc. I hate how much Linux is just an equivalently rubbish and crappy OS these days, it used to be my go-to solution. Is there a rolling release, bleeding edge version of arch, or even linux, that isn't total crap? Does everyone in the world just install ubuntu/mint/debian stable these days? Things are seriously getting to the stage where I do *everything* in hypervisors now. and Windows based Hyper-V is no worse and no better than KVM/LXC/VBox/VMWare/etc - all I want is a stable and modern base OS to run all my virtual stuff in. CoreOS is looking very promising. There is no particular point to this post, and I'm not trolling - Linux is really pissing me off these days. I'm fully up and running with systemd and all the latest toys, I've had to prototype CentOS7 and a bunch of other stuff recently for work plus I've been shadowing systemd since inception across various VMs but it's all getting to the point where I just couldn't give a crap anymore. FreeBSD 10.1 is really nice however, and as soon as my new NVME Intel 750 arrives I think I'm jumping. It's not that Linux sucks, because it doesn't; it's just that pretty much every single implementation of it sucks to death. I have a lifelong love/hate relationship with various operating systems and as much as it pains me to say it, I'm actually more productive currently with any OS that let's me start a browser that connects to my various vSphere, Xen, KVM, etc, http restful interfaces. I used an on-loan Chromebook Pixel for 2 weeks recently and lived in a browser: it was fine for even things like logging into vSphere - better than fine actually. On my normal Linux machines the vSphere webclient just crashed all the time. At least I could actually get some work done. I'm so desperate for an operating system that isn't shit. I wish to god that someone would make one in my lifetime. Mark Russinovich himself is in the news today stating that Windows itself could possibly go opensource - brilliant. The combination of windows update plus gentoo-style compilation of all packages fills me with joy. Just imagine doing a system update on Win10 via LLVM on cygwin through a apt-get wannabee powershell script... For a long time I revelled in constant exploration and experimenting, trying to find the best tools and operating systems for the job which would pretty much always be linux. Now I just cut the effort and try and avoid the least terrible crap instead, which is also frequently linux. How the mighty have fallen :[ *sorry, gone a bit off topic here. stand by everything though. plan9 ftw. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq