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Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Oct 2014, at 01:17, bad apple <mr.meowski@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On 27/09/14 18:51, Brad Rogers wrote: >> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:09:51 +0100 >> Paul Sutton <zleap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hello Paul, >> >>> Sure it may ruin their carers, but they also have responsibilities as >>> parents, if they have failed and pay the price maybe the blame should >>> lie with then, and not with everyone else which these people >>> sometimes try and put it on. >> >> I totally agree. It may well have not been clear from my post though. >> However, the main thrust of my post was that bad apple has to make a >> tough decision. One that he's going to have to live with. It's only >> he that can decide whether his conscience will let him place what he's >> found out about this ne'er-do-well in the hands of the authorities. I >> know I'd find it hard to make such a decision. >> >> It's a sad fact that what is Right, what is Moral, what is Legal and >> what is Fair are rarely all the same thing. There can be large areas of >> overlap with those things, I know. > > This is done. Somewhat restoring my faith in humanity, debased as it is, > the charlie in question has good, caring parents. I was a silent partner > on the phone call from hell, and they hit the ******* roof. Both pulled > emergency leave, he's out of school and after a lot of soul searching > and discussion, we're cutting this loose after two weeks of intensive > activity. It's not like we can watch him forever. > > And we're getting old now. Vigilante action isn't what it used to be, > and I sincerely regret getting involved in this in the first place. We > all do. The parents are so on this I feel it's safe (?) to walk away now > but so many nagging doubts remain. > > Did I do the right thing? > Is it ok to break rules for the greater good? > Who's watching us to make sure we only use our powers for 'good'? > What's stopping me waking up tomorrow and going full 'evil'? It would > definitely pay more. I was chatting on a certain Russian forum last > night and was offered Â5k in bitcoins to backdoor a specific blog site, > which I know I can get into in 30 seconds (wordpress is a the gift that > keeps giving). The recent bash and Xen vulns are just making things > ridiculously easy at the moment. > > I absolutely don't need the money but a long unscratched itch has been > making me think - during all the **** of the last couple of weeks the > missus has pointed out that every now and then I've referred to myself > as a hacker, rather than a sysadmin. That's rather optimistic, but now I > was considerably younger I genuinely deserved that appellation. Now I'm > old and lazy, I presumed all the kids would have naturally left me in > the dust but as it happens I've realised that they're no more talented > than we are, they just have a lot more free time. But they're many, many > years too early to know all the tricks that we have picked up at the > coalface after a work lifetime of firefighting. > > I terrified a junior DevOps guy we've got for a week earlier by > demonstrating how to break into standard issue Windows (chntpw), Mac > (single user mode escalate to root trick) and Linux (rescue mode and/or > "init=/bin/bash") machines in just a minute or two. There's nothing > about these attacks that is new or surprising but to the uninitiated > it's like pure voodoo. That's kind of when I realised that I'm happiest > breaking into other people's ****, instead of fixing people's ****. > There will be some serious discussion ahead with She Who Must Be Obeyed > but I'm seriously thinking about jacking in my relatively new sysadmin > job, and going back to the uncertain world of contracting. Mainly > because it turns out that reverse TCP stagers are a lot more interesting > than fixing configured-by-morons CentOS machines. > > Basically I think I'm probably having my midlife crisis and just want my > business card to say "L33T c00l ub3r HaXX0r" instead of "Systems > Administrator". Perhaps I should just buy a sports car instead. > > Anyway, for the moment I remain a boring sysadmin and I'm putting the > last couple of weeks unpleasantness behind me. I look forward to > (hopefully) answering some normal, sane questions on list shortly. It > feels like a while since Neil has broken something and I've told him how > to fix it. Someone was asking about a hacked webserver - contact me off > list. > > Even though I've obviously now got full control of my crappy live.com > email address back, Microsoft are still hassling me with daily 2-factor > auth reminders, Technet articles and general asking-for-money spam crap > to the extent that I wonder if it was even worth it. > > Yours philosophically, resigned and undecided, > everyone knows the answer to their question. Its the truth in their heart. being a warrior, rather than a medic is a good observation. maybe you should set aside preconceptions and join the right army. you won't have to look far - they are activley recruiting leftfield talent. > bad apple > > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq