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Curious question, but has anyone attempted to extract time to patch from logs and packages (or other data). Specifically interested in how long the security updates took to be installed from there release by vendor. Although how vendors compare would be interesting I know the Linux distros we use are at least comparable (since I get the mailing list security advisories within days of each other typically). I can imagine in Debian stable this is relatively easy, because all non-release upgrades are security upgrades. But other distros muddy the water here, although most flag security updates. I've separately being running a whole set of less critical server boxes on automatic daily update, with no issues of note in 6 months. I know Bad Apple is in the nothing changes without my permission school of system admin, but for these boxes it seems a good balance of risk v effort v timeliness. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq