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I'm beginning to think that the future is dark for my favourite operating system... http://www.muktware.com/2014/02/debian-technical-committee-votes-systemd-upstart/20780 There have been some increasingly bizarre decisions made by the top brass of late and switching to systemd for an init system is just a step too far for me, although I expect alternative systems will at least be supported for a while. Just probably not very well. This on top of the infuriating ffmpeg/libav situation (essentially, following the forking of ffmpeg to the inferior libav Debian developers aligned with the libav crowd shoehorned it into the distro regardless of quality where it still festers now - even worse, it's misleadingly packaged *as* ffmpeg for 'compatibility' reasons) which takes considerable work to fix is beginning to get old really fast. Obviously, all of this stupidity also filters downstream to Ubuntu/Mint/etc which I care considerably less about, but still have to admin and fix regularly. Politics always ruins things, even Linux distributions apparently, if given enough time. Regards -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq