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Hi Guys Well the saga of the HP continues. Just to update everyone. Thankfully with Bad Apple's (what is his name?) help I worked out that the problem was the usb stick. I bought a new one, loaded Debian on and booted. 1 hour later I was ready to install Grub and then I had 3 messages which I took a picture of and have uploaded. Here are the images: <http://wild-woods.org.uk/blog/musings/grub-failure/> The key message says unable to install Grub in dev/sda. This is a fatal error. The next message says, No boot loader has been installed. You will need to boot manually with the /vmlinux kernel on partition /dev/sdd1 and root=/dev/sdd1 passed as a kernel argument. What the heck? Can anybody help please? Thanks --- Richard Brown Youth Worker, Dad and Husband http://wild-woods.org.uk/ -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq