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Oh, and one more tool that you'll pretty much have to run on anything but a quality "Business class" machine: http://pcdecrapifier.com/ Unless you're getting top-end expensive PCs, all consumer models as we know come pre-loaded with a ton of absolute crap, all of which needs ripping out. Acer have always been particularly bad offenders, but for years now any consumer PC from any supplier will be absolutely infested with unnecessary junk (including the OS in my opinion - whilst I don't dislike Windows as much as most here, anything less than the full Pro/Enterprise versions, which you won't get on a consumer PC, is next to useless). Good luck. Regards -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq