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Huawei already did the cheap phone from China thing. Well made, because it is the same factories, but the prices are very aggressive. Sure you can go to smaller vendor with less OEM capacity. Probably the answer is a cyanogen phone, e.g. Try and design hardware to minimize software costs, but like MS Windows - some of those bundled apps subsidise the purchase price. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq