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Everyone who's adminned debian has got caught in dependancy hell sooner or later. They've also complained that software is old, it's unfriendly and configuring a desktop (used to be) hugely difficult. Also; Once set up and running in a server role, debian continues day after day after day. Some packages have quirks (backuppc and pre-configured local backup permissions, root enabled by default in sshd's config, zoneminder and shared memory - I'm sure there are more). It's not for everyone and if you are irritated by Debian, well, there's plenty of choice. Debian doesn't care, it's not going anywhere - it's part of linux's history and backbone and will be around forever. But here's the thing: Every sysadmin I know who has used debian in production, still uses debian. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq