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I love the Sansa m240, little 1gb players that like the Sandisk/Sansas above, just play whatever mp3s are on there - no need to use itunes or anything that looks like itunes (which most of the music managers do!). As they're fat32 based, just plug in and copy the files over from linux, windows, mac, whatever. Unfortunately they've stopped making them, and I've probably bought all of them off ebay since then - certainly I've had a dozen over the years for myself and the wife. Great for audiobooks, and a snooze timer so I can drop off to sleep listening to BBC Comedies and Drama. And - definite plus - they take an AAA battery so last for ages. I've had to throw away lots of cheap (and not so cheap) mp3 players because their batteries stopped holding a charge - and when it runs flat, just plug in another rechargable AAA and off you go, no loss of sounds while you wait for it to recharge and as I use them a lot when walking, it means I keep going all day. Sadly AAA powered players of any ilk are getting hard to find now. :( -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq