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> rather than alsamixer have you used from System Preferences Sound ? When I logged on this morning I found alsa still asleep. alsactl init returned "No soundcards found". So I did (as root) a modprobe snd_cmipci and the snd modules all came back. alsactl init now returns Unknown hardware: "CMI8738-MC6" "CMedia PCI" "" "0x153b" "0x1144" Hardware is initialized using a guess method Why does alsa fade away? Surely this indicates something basically wrong? aplay says "cannot find card 0" so it is not really back now. System -> Preferences -> Sound opens a window that says Sound theme: no sound (but this just refers to warning sounds doesn't it?) Hardware just shows an empty window (can't be right!) Input nothing Output "dummy output stereo" This has got to be a clue. And yes I do belong to the audio group. I am sorry this must be trying your patience. I used to be a fan of Red Hat (version 8 it was) so maybe I'll switch to Fedora :-) Tony -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq