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I know that a mac address is a hex based number hard wired in to the network interface if I run ifconfig i get the following output (I have shortened this for 1 interface eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr f8:0f:41:21:84:bc inet addr:192.168.1.12 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::fa0f:41ff:fe21:84bc/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:1328 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:1439 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:767167 (767.1 KB) TX bytes:163586 (163.5 KB) Interrupt:41 Base address:0xc000 Am I right in thinking that HWaddr is the same as this mac address as it has the same format in terms of numbers etc My router makes reference to mac addresses with some of the more advanced set up options. thanks Paul -- -- http://drupal.zleap.net http://www.ubuntu.com skype : psutton111 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/paul-sutton/36/595/911 -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq