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Oh and if we have any MYSQL trigger gurus I saw some examples with AFTER UPDATE, INSERT but when I tried that the manual and MYSQL seemed to think only one event per trigger. Doesn't bother me I can create two identical triggers when I get it working (or maybe I can simplify one), but did I miss something basic here? -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq