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On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:02:15 +0000 paul sutton wrote: > On 11/01/12 10:30, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:02:27 +0000 > > paul sutton wrote: > > > >> On 11/01/12 09:48, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote: > >>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:09:55 +0000 (GMT) > >>> Gordon Henderson wrote: > >>> > >>>> Perhaps there is hope after all: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16493929 > >>>> > >>>> Gordon > >>> It's a good start, but I can't see it coming to fruition easily or > >>> soon. In my experience, I(C)T in schools is almost always 'taught' > >>> by non-specialists - there are exceptions to the rule, but that's > >>> always the case with broad generalisations - and as such there is > >>> unlikely to be a body of I(C)T teachers in schools that are > >>> willing or capable of teaching the 'new' curriculum. > >>> > >>> Getting IT specialists in to teach the subject would be the best > >>> option, but that is not going to be an easy task. I, for one, > >>> would be quite happy to go and teach IT in secondary schools, but > >>> it would mean an absolutely massive drop in salary... and that's > >>> from someone who is qualified to teach (I have a PGCE, but in > >>> "post compulsory education and training")! To start out in a > >>> secondary school, I believe we're talking about a salary of > >>> something in the region of Â17k or Â18k... not bad to start with, > >>> but for many in IT that would represent a huge drop. > >>> > >>> So where are we going to get these new IT teachers from? Those at > >>> Uni studying IT courses will most likely not know of this proposed > >>> change, and their experience of IT at school will probably put > >>> them off going in to teach it anyway and those in the IT industry > >>> are likely to be put off entering the teaching market by the > >>> potentially significant drop in salary. > >>> > >>> Grant. > >>> > >> Surely to teach programming it would really help to have people > >> teaching who have real world programming experience, so rather > >> than graduates from Uni we have graduate --> industry --> teaching > >> that way you are bringing knolwedge and experience to the post. > >> > >> It is like me with rugby, I could easily undertake a level 1 > >> coaching course, having never played all i would do is teach what > >> was on the course where as someone who has played can bring a > >> different level of experience to that coaching. I am just > >> sticking with tag. > >> > >> I guess its like giving a lesson on Life in china, having never > >> lived there, or been to the country, where as if you bring in > >> someone from that country to give a talk in a lesson you bring a > >> new dynamic edge to the lesson, with resources etc > >> > >> Lets see what happens, but yeah, why go into teaching when you can > >> earn far more in industry ( what did kevin post as a salary Â25 an > >> hour). > >> > >> Paul > > Although an hourly rate doesn't usually convert well into a salary, > > Â25/hr in Education would mean this: > > > > Let's take an almost "worst case scenario" for a full-time teacher > > (based on my experience): > > 25 hours per week "contact time". > > 12.5 hours per week "other duties". > > 10 weeks "holidays" (let's say unpaid as this is a worst-case > > scenario (6 weeks for summer, 2 for Winter, 2 for Spring)). > > 20% taken off for taxes and other stuff. > > > > Â25 * 37.5 * 42 * 0.8 = Â31,500 take home salary. A bit different to > > the average starting salary of Â17k (take home of ~Â13.6k). > > > > Grant. > > > What i was saying was that, why work for what teachers earn when if > what kevin posted was typical people can earn far more in real > programming jobs, getting people who can do this into teaching may be > easier said than done. If we are to attract the best then we need > to pay better wages Agreed, that's kinda what I was getting at too. Grant. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq