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I proceeded with caution and disconnected /dev/sdb while I set about getting a system that would run. I cleared a partition on /dev/sda, installed Ubuntu 10.10 from a disk I had and got evelution running so that now I can write from here and I've unsubscribed Pat. I attached an external drive, plugged in /dev/sdb (now known as /dev/sdc) and ran dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdb6/newfile bs=512 so I now have a 60GB file containing a copy of the original errant drive. I understand that vi will edit a binary file. I also ran fdisk on the original drive and got this: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 3000 24097468+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb2 3001 3122 979965 83 Linux /dev/sdb3 3123 3244 979965 82 Linux swap /dev/sdb4 3245 14593 91160842+ 83 Linux which looks ok. I am still trying to find out about smarctl. About Knoppix: I heard tell that it was thought to be a good live OS for rescue purposes and that is the only reason I chose it. I'll have look at supergrub and drml when I can. About reiserfs: same thing really. When I was building this system I got two huge, as I thought at the time (2TB was not around), disks and reiserfs was said to be good for lots of files. If I can recover some information from this mess I am quite happy with ext3. So where do I go from here? What is the next step? Tony -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq