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In a (blue) vain attempt to drag this cheesy topic back on track, I think I'd rather get the celestron one: http://www.sciencemuseumshop.co.uk/product/257602.html Which looks like a steal to me at 90 quid. Celestron stuff usually has sound optics for starters (and I'm not talking baked brie - yum!). Shame they don't give the resolution of the camera though, could be 320 x 240 for all we know. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html