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For what it is worth I bought a cheap phone which is "just a phone" (no camera, no java, it does do web browsing but it is painful to use on such a small screen). If I was away from computers more of the time I think one of the cheaper android phone on contract would have won out but at £18 a month for a sensible contract I simply don't need those features often enough. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html