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> Some of the shorthand stuff may increase productivity in some but when it > boils down to it productivity is more about learning what the problem you're > trying to solve really is and fending off management. Well that problem (the management) never goes away. Anyhow there are nice examples of websites where rails is user and what it can do. I also seem to have my answer and sadly there don't seem to be any ruby on rails users in the lug :( -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html