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Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 04:42:20PM +0000, Tom Potts wrote: >> On Wednesday 28 January 2009 14:19, Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 01:08:34PM +0000, Paul Sutton wrote: >>>> I know that odf is iso 26300 >>>> research has revealded that pdf is 32000 >>>> >>>> I am looking for similar numbers for any of the MS formats, (i know they >>>> probably don't exist) >>> No MS formats have (yet) been standardised by ISO. Ergo, they don't have >>> a number. >>> >>>> Like it or not people seeem to insist that MS is some sort of standard, >>>> I would like to put more in my sig (I can add pdf), but if I also add >>>> ms office format - iso = unknown >>> MS Office is at best a de-facto standard, due largely to Microsoft's >>> monopoly. >> sorry is de-facto latin for 'claims to be but changes so much it shouldn't be >> called a'... >> If MS standardised ms-office format then others would be able to emulate it >> fully and... (see ISO ODF OOXML wars for full script). >> MS office will NEVER be a standard. > > By de-facto I mean "people behave as if it is one, but it isn't, and > therefore doesn't have any of the benefits of an actual standard". > This is my point so if we all know the proper ISO number for these other formats, when some MS fan says "MS is industry standard" we have ammo to throw back at them regarding real standards. We can simply point out that MS is most used, but that does not make it a standard. Lets not be seen to be Anti Microsoft but pro - standards, as i said, statement + evidence = argument. Paul -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet : Feb 7th : 3pm (TBC), Shoreline Cafe Paignton -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html