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Kevin Tunison wrote: > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Henry Bremridge > <henry.bremridge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On the following assumptions: >> >> - No of users: 6782 >> - Cost of Microsoft Office per User per Year: £20 (or £60 every three years). >> This is a guess on the principle MS will heavily discount the cost of enterprises >> licenses to encourage use in public sector organisations. >> - New computers purchased every 4 years (bit of a guess: I believe that most >> computers would be thrown away every 2-3 years, but all would have to be renewed >> at least every 4 years) >> - Cost of Microsoft (as opposed to Linux) per PC: I am guessing £20. I am aware >> that retail OEM MS Operating systems go for about £50, but again I do not believe >> that large public sector organisations pay that >> - Interest Rate (Borrowing cost). I am assuming 5%. (The lower the interest rate, >> the more the total cost of staying with MS. I do not know what the borrowing >> costs for Devon County Council are but I would be surprised if they could not >> borrow at less than 5%). >> - The cost of switching Bristol's 6000 computers was a one time cost of £643,000 >> >> Then the cost of not switching to Microsoft for 10 years is £1.3m or £130,000 per >> year, with a payback of period of the cost of switching of 5 years >> >> Summary of figures changing key variables >> >> Computers 6782 6782 6782 6782 6782 >> 6782 >> License Fee MS Office 10 20 50 10 >> 20 50 >> Computer renewal rate 4 4 4 4 >> 4 4 >> Cost of MS software 20 20 20 >> 20 20 20 >> Investment Hurdle 10% 10% 10% >> 5% 5% 5% >> Total Cost £0.6m £1.0m £2.3m £0.8m £1.3m >> £2.8m >> Cost pa £0.06m £0.1m £0.2m £0.08m £0.1m >> £0.3m >> >> Question >> >> a) Does anyone know for certain how often computers are changed in Devon. Is it >> every 3 years or 4. (If computers are changed every three years then the cost of >> staying with MS increases by about £100,000 pa) >> >> b) Does anyone have any realistic idea of how much enterprise software licenses >> cost. I am assuming that the MS charge £20 per user per year. That could be too >> high on the principal that MS might effectively give away the software to ensure >> that County Councils use MS and hence all users are encouraged to use MS. >> >> >> >> -- >> Henry >> Photocopies or faxes of my signature are not binding. >> This email has been signed with an electronic signature in accordance with >> subsection 7(3) of the Electronic Communications Act 2000. >> Digital Key Signature: GPG RSA 0xFB447AA1 >> Thu Jan 1 10:14:16 GMT 2009 >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iJwEAQECAAYFAklcm2EACgkQrysVpvtEeqGiRQQA77pjEDMJJufetgYz94DkL/UN >> EAK3OvxZCLHSfbVS88L6GdvwRdh1VJsY27TlbuTb20XKhRMvRU6xA71xHeF7zJBo >> IYw2r/fwhnvKUowZJREV34ue/YqQLGSgTcwiUI0mGSNUs0M1WxWNXp6+5+9nwD+s >> Yqni0wBOh4rzGCoSA34= >> =S2a9 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> -- >> The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG >> http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list >> FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html >> >> >> > > If you are going to consider pushing this up for serious debate at the > business level, there are some other factors to consider. These are > all things that Microsoft Licensing Sales Specialists are trained to > handle, and will pound from the other side of the pulpit. > > 1) How MS products are deployed in the environment, is this automated or not > 2) The man-hours involved in such a deployment > 3) The cost of those man-hours > 4) Amount of support calls and time regarding ms office > 5) The cost of that support in man-hours and money > 6) Any downgrade costs associated with licensing, as many > organizations do pay this, suprisingly. ie downgrade from Office 2007 > to 2003. > 7) Existing Infrastructure tie-ins with outside vendors and office > 8) The cost in time and money associated with removing those tie-ins > and/or technical barriers to entry > 9) Any other outstanding agreements that may either: > a) Force the purchase of Office licensing based on the licensing > package the organization is subscribed to > b) Be a contract between the organization and license reseller > (this is not Microsoft, ie Ramesys) preventing outside software from > being installed > c) Be a support contract with an outside vendor that only allows > support of 'approved' software packages > > > With regards to your questions: > > -a) Does anyone know for certain how often computers are changed in > Devon. Is it every 3 years or 4. (If computers are changed every three > years then the cost of staying with MS increases by about £100,000 pa) > > a) With volume licensing this point is moot. The number of active > machines are audited annually, and the license fees are adjusted > accordingly. In the MS Licensing realm, this is known as a true-up, > so the client in year one may pay for 20 machines, a month later add > 250 workstations, but not have to pay for 270 licenses until the next > fiscal year. > > -b) Does anyone have any realistic idea of how much enterprise > software licenses cost. I am assuming that the MS charge £20 per user > per year. That could be too high on the principal that MS might > effectively give away the software to ensure that County Councils use > MS and hence all users are encouraged to use MS. > > > b) The only way to find out point b is to go subscribe up and become a > certified licensing specialist, then open dialogue with the approved > Microsoft Licensing Distributors (as you would now be considered a > vendor). Keep in mind volume licensing 'packages' are unique and > change annually in their own right (in order to keep the licensing > status one must annually renew their certification). afaik, the > certification process requires a passport account and answering a few > modules of multiple choice questions online, then you're done. This > really is a case-by-case basis... there is going to be a totally > different contract involved with an organization of 7500, than 10,000, > or 15,000 workstations. > > Here is a good starting point re MS licensing: > https://partner.microsoft.com/UK/licensing/40032720 > > Warm Regards, > > KevinT > > That website gives me something about invalid certificate. Paul -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open file formats ISO 26300 odt Next Linux User Group meet : Jan 3rd : 2pm, Shoreline Cafe Paignton -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html