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Hi I think I am getting somewhere! I think my problems started during the Ubuntu update. It now seems none of my Ubuntu machines will "play" anymore. But my Debian machine can still log into another debian machine. So I think I now know where to start searching. Peter -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html