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I've just read an interesting article in the Make magazine daily newsletter about the above. VMS is open now and owned by HP. As it's a paid sub, I've posted the news item. I thought some here might find it of passing interest. Gareth Williams, associate director of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory Minor Planet Center since 1990, has been tracking the 400,000 orbits of known asteroids and comets in the solar system using a cluster of 12 VAXes, from offices on the Harvard University campus. The Deutsche Börse stock exchange in Frankfurt runs on VMS. The Australian Stock Exchange runs on it. The train system in Ireland, Irish Rail, runs on it, as does the Amsterdam police department. The U.S. Postal Service runs its mail sorters on OpenVMS, and Amazon.com uses it to ship 112,000 packages a day. It has "a very loyal installed base of customers," says Ann McQuaid, general manager of OpenVMS at HP, who shows no signs of wanting to give it up. If anyone is interested in more here's a link to the original article in Information Week: http://www.informationweek.com/news/ showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202801794 Clare -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html