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One of the problems I find with computing in business is the stupidity of the 'office' approach. We have taken something (the PC and modern software) that is capable of managing interstellar travel and we use it to design horse saddles! Most of the problems I encountered in my last few years at the coal face were trying to alleviate the problems of giving everyone an 'office' and then at a much later date trying to implement all the other thing that should have been there from the start - erp type systems. Its easy to take the M$ approach and sell people lots of copies of office for people to hide their data in but if we really want to help people we must make it clear to them that if they really want to take advantage of computing they have to actually organise their data and business. They can do it early on in the process or they can try later - and almost certainly fail. M$ have made billions out of selling people a pup, please dont sell that pup to others just because its free. Tom te tom te tom -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html