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TBH, I was a Pipex customer for years - they were one of the few no nonsense does-what-it-says-on-the-tin type ISP's left, and then one day something horrible happened - they changed the website away from the old no-nonsense look and ended up with a daglow curvy boxed pink generic funk interface more suited to a lamp shop than an isp, and it all went downhill from there. Something like: Generic funk "happy chick" website --> point(less) reward scheme --> losing contrast between elbows and bottom Lord knows what happened at head office, but I reckon it wasn't pretty. Apart from ending up with minus.net at the time, I'm glad I moved house and switched provider. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html