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you can't get c4 or c5 unless you are using a sky digibox with a card, it doesn't need to be a current subscription, but it does have to have a card. You won't get all the freeview channels via satellite unless you have a subscription. Simon -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html