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On my debian box, I have /var/log/mysql.err which contians nothing and never has. Nothing is written on startup or shutdown. Any ideas how to make it log that sort of stuff? Steve -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe. FAQ: www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html