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PS: I also did a stint of about 6 months with C#. What can i say. It was a fairly nice language but it put me off languages with a virtual machine for life. Spent weeks chasing an illegal operation which turned out to be in the VM with absolutely SQUAT i could do about it aside from code around the problem rather than fixing the problem. Swore i'd never use a language with a VM again. Now what am i doing? Java!! Pah! my life seems to go round in circles!! At least i've not had a similar problem with java yet. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe. FAQ: www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html