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On Tuesday 28 September 2004 7:03, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 6:38 pm, john wrote:On Tuesday 28 September 2004 5:51, Simon Waters wrote:Where were you when we were organising all the big public events?which big public events would they be then?http://www.dclug.org.uk/index.php Past Events Linux Install Day - 29th April 2001 at Exeter Uni Open Source Day - 27th April 2002 at Exeter Uni St. Peter's School - 27th March 2003 Paignton Rugby/Cricket club 17th July 2003 Plymouth University 12th August 2003 St. Peter's School - 19th Feb 2004 August Meeting - 28th August 2004
is that it?? a year gap, then another year gap, then two others that year and two this year? that's it?
before then, and I gotta tell you I genuinely cannot recall any big public linux events being promoted locally at any time since then.You weren't looking then were you?
what part of the word "promoted" don't you understand? when the way people find out about a local linux event is by first finding the local linux group all you are going to get are people who are going out of their way to find something they know exists. that's not promotion.
The Install Day, Open Source Day and Plymouth University meets were all big public meetings in the local area. If you want to book something the size of the NEC or the Pavilions, we'd be only to glad to come along with our four bar extension leads, switches, hubs, Cat5, laptops, headless boxes, possibly a projector and boundless enthusiasm for GNU/Linux.I have nothing to repent so don't hold your breath expecting me to be contrite.Yes you have - swearing, trolling, rambling, grumbling and doing NOTHING to make anything better.
tell you what neil, kiss my ass. I'm going to quote Fringe here. "Two things aren't shocking here. First is the typical slashdot response of, "Oh, they were idiots, they used idiots, obviously it's their fault." Which isn't really very helpful; most people are, by slashdot standards, idiots. The goal of modern commercial software is to lower the bar such that idiots can use it safely. (That's distinct from the goal of so much open-source software, of providing more power to the gurus while scaring away women and children, to build up the developer's technical cred.) The other thing that isn't shocking is that Windows is perceived, by some, as being lower cost and more reliable. And again, slashdotters will argue the moon away that it ain't so. And, again, for non-idiots in their lexicon, they're correct. But on average, they're wrong. Years ago I build a pretty powerful product, cross-platform. Runs on BSD, Linux and Windows, using Sybase, SQL Server or MySQL. All but one sale over the years was Windows. Why? Because that's what the businesses use. Lower training costs. When things go wrong, they're fixable via GUI. Don't need to find a guru, any convenient semi-geek can do the job. I've been very annoyed by this. I really expected BSD and Linux to take off. But corporates lack sufficient geekpower, on average, to use Linux. And that is the reality that too few geeks are willing to cater to. And I say this as someone who has, in the last year, done hardcore commercial development on all three platforms." end quote. note the last bracketed sentence in the first paragraph. people like that get in the way of converting desktops away from windows people like that get in the way of new users adopting linux me, I'll stick to the real world for now and stick my head back in linux mini cons in a year or two and see if anyone has woken up and smelt the coffee. yes I know damn well I am very easy to label as an arrogant cantankerous bigoted bastard, but I get shit done, and I don't have a great deal of time for people who don't, and six un-publicised meets in three and a half years and more importantly an attitude that when someone comes along and says "hey guys, what about converting people" you resort to pseudo religious mode and brand them a troll instead of saying what EVERYONE knows is true, "yeah, it's too damned easy to zone out on the deep geek stuff, one of the psychological traits of being a nerd." then like I said kiss my ass. I _KNOW_ I have all sorts of rough edges, and when they are pointed out to me, eg the swearing, even though I think it is bullshit I go "hey, can't expect other people to pander to my foibles if I don't do the same in return" and what happens, I still get accused of trolling.... well this troll had been doing stuff, and has spoken to people, had a venue IN TOWN where people would see it, has a couple of local companies happy to contribute (one was just about convinced to stump up a thousand mepis cd's) and a newsworthy political entity, and it takes people with rough edges and contacts to make that shit happen, but hey, you're right, you're way too leet for me and you'll get at least four or five more un-publicised meets in before longhorn ships and everything is DRM;d up the wazoo. Anyone wants to mail me privately of come round and scream blue murder at me feel free, you're always welcome, but do it off list because as of now list mail for davenull is going to /dev/null Kai, don't lose that passion man, it's beautiful. I'm outta here. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.