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Sometimes process can climb to high on some process stack (I've read this ages ago and can't quite recall the details), and can't be killed. It's a bad application for starters, but some blame can be put on the kernel. Try running a 2.6.3+ kernel. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.