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For anyone who hasn't read Dan Geer's paper and perhaps to inspire comment. http://www.ccianet.org/papers/cyberinsecurity.pdf I found it a novel and well (if densely) argued paper. Keith -- SuSE 8.2 on ECS K7S5A/XP with 1.2GHz Athlon, 384MB RAM, Maxtor 20GB HD and using KDE's Kmail -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.